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		<title>By: franz rust</title>
		<link>http://rosstraining.com/blog/2009/03/11/the-form-police/#comment-7269</link>
		<dc:creator>franz rust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2012 07:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>perhaps ya can think weight off the ground</description>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://rosstraining.com/blog/2009/03/11/the-form-police/#comment-6630</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2011 00:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear all,

it is quite a old topic but still up to date.

My personal opinion is that it comes strongly on your training experience. I never would recommend this kind of form to a beginner in exercising. 

On the other hand powerlifters such as Matt Kroczaleski have many years of expereience. They know the &quot;right&quot; form and discard it by purpose. This is complete different to sloppy form. 

They know their body and what they are capable of, how much they can handle and recognize different types of pain which helps them to recognize pre injury situations.

But as I said for beginners it is okay to show them how correct form is looking like especially when joints are not used to such wheigt loads.

!ATTENTION! This is a personal opinion. !Attention!

Best regards from Germany.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear all,</p>
<p>it is quite a old topic but still up to date.</p>
<p>My personal opinion is that it comes strongly on your training experience. I never would recommend this kind of form to a beginner in exercising. </p>
<p>On the other hand powerlifters such as Matt Kroczaleski have many years of expereience. They know the &#8220;right&#8221; form and discard it by purpose. This is complete different to sloppy form. </p>
<p>They know their body and what they are capable of, how much they can handle and recognize different types of pain which helps them to recognize pre injury situations.</p>
<p>But as I said for beginners it is okay to show them how correct form is looking like especially when joints are not used to such wheigt loads.</p>
<p>!ATTENTION! This is a personal opinion. !Attention!</p>
<p>Best regards from Germany.</p>
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		<title>By: manny hagler</title>
		<link>http://rosstraining.com/blog/2009/03/11/the-form-police/#comment-6049</link>
		<dc:creator>manny hagler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 May 2011 23:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>also, i much prefer the for police than the form CRIMINALS! ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>also, i much prefer the for police than the form CRIMINALS! <img src='http://rosstraining.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: manny hagler</title>
		<link>http://rosstraining.com/blog/2009/03/11/the-form-police/#comment-6048</link>
		<dc:creator>manny hagler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 May 2011 23:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i can see what ross and everyone here is saying, but those are not &quot;rows&quot;. it&#039;s unimportant and knitpicking on nomenclature i know, but saying &quot;man does 300 lb rows&quot; raises some expectations.
back in the day, when my work out philosophy was based on putting on as much weight on the bar as possible, i routinely &quot;squatted&quot; 650 lbs for reps - i.e. i would go down about 3 inches then go straight back up. if i posted a video of this on the strength and conditioning forum with the title &quot;check this out - me squatting 650 lbs&quot;, i guess i would receive some friendly advice on better ways to squat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i can see what ross and everyone here is saying, but those are not &#8220;rows&#8221;. it&#8217;s unimportant and knitpicking on nomenclature i know, but saying &#8220;man does 300 lb rows&#8221; raises some expectations.<br />
back in the day, when my work out philosophy was based on putting on as much weight on the bar as possible, i routinely &#8220;squatted&#8221; 650 lbs for reps &#8211; i.e. i would go down about 3 inches then go straight back up. if i posted a video of this on the strength and conditioning forum with the title &#8220;check this out &#8211; me squatting 650 lbs&#8221;, i guess i would receive some friendly advice on better ways to squat.</p>
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		<title>By: andrew prior</title>
		<link>http://rosstraining.com/blog/2009/03/11/the-form-police/#comment-3068</link>
		<dc:creator>andrew prior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Nov 2010 12:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>intensity intensity intensity is the only ingrediant for contiuous gains.that guy is so strong his increased poundage to increase intensity has left form behind.it will become harder and harder to increase weight.the only way to increase intensity at that stratosphere is by maximum contraction(failure at the limit of your strengh usualy 1 rep)hats off to that guy though awesome
















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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>intensity intensity intensity is the only ingrediant for contiuous gains.that guy is so strong his increased poundage to increase intensity has left form behind.it will become harder and harder to increase weight.the only way to increase intensity at that stratosphere is by maximum contraction(failure at the limit of your strengh usualy 1 rep)hats off to that guy though awesome</p>
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		<title>By: Administrator</title>
		<link>http://rosstraining.com/blog/2009/03/11/the-form-police/#comment-3067</link>
		<dc:creator>Administrator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Sep 2010 14:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one is suggesting that we ignore form and strive for careless execution of each movement.  The simple point is that those who often critique others may not understand the context of the movement (ie. those who have criticized the Kroc row without understanding the intent). That&#039;s it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one is suggesting that we ignore form and strive for careless execution of each movement.  The simple point is that those who often critique others may not understand the context of the movement (ie. those who have criticized the Kroc row without understanding the intent). That&#8217;s it.</p>
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		<title>By: Earl</title>
		<link>http://rosstraining.com/blog/2009/03/11/the-form-police/#comment-3066</link>
		<dc:creator>Earl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Sep 2010 14:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole &quot;if you can&#039;t do it, then shut up&quot; argument reduces to absurdity; by that logic, we have no reason to listen to the elderly, retirees, or people with injuries. Joe DeFranco can&#039;t complete the NFL combine&#039;s battery of tests, but that doesn&#039;t mean everybody should ignore his advice on how to do so. Indeed, his advice was so good that the NFL had to implement rules to counteract it because his athletes &quot;beat&quot; the tests. It doesn&#039;t matter whether an out-of-shape slob or an Olympic athlete tells you how to train more effectively; facts are facts. Knowing HOW to do something and being ABLE to do something are two totally different things.

I also am stunned to see the logical fallacy of mistaken causation. Just because somebody trains a certain way doesn&#039;t mean that one can attribute any success he may have to that training style; indeed, he may have succeeded in spite of his training style. I can find somebody out there who deadlifts with a rounded back and still wins championships at his sport; that doesn&#039;t justify the rounded-back deadlifts, though, because they probably didn&#039;t contribute to his success.

There&#039;s a reason why there is a correct form for every exercise: it is the optimal form for achieving a goal. Kroc wasn&#039;t performing bad form DB rows; he was essentially inventing a new exercise that helped him achieve his powerlifting goals. If you&#039;re performing an exercise, you should do it right rather than take shortcuts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole &#8220;if you can&#8217;t do it, then shut up&#8221; argument reduces to absurdity; by that logic, we have no reason to listen to the elderly, retirees, or people with injuries. Joe DeFranco can&#8217;t complete the NFL combine&#8217;s battery of tests, but that doesn&#8217;t mean everybody should ignore his advice on how to do so. Indeed, his advice was so good that the NFL had to implement rules to counteract it because his athletes &#8220;beat&#8221; the tests. It doesn&#8217;t matter whether an out-of-shape slob or an Olympic athlete tells you how to train more effectively; facts are facts. Knowing HOW to do something and being ABLE to do something are two totally different things.</p>
<p>I also am stunned to see the logical fallacy of mistaken causation. Just because somebody trains a certain way doesn&#8217;t mean that one can attribute any success he may have to that training style; indeed, he may have succeeded in spite of his training style. I can find somebody out there who deadlifts with a rounded back and still wins championships at his sport; that doesn&#8217;t justify the rounded-back deadlifts, though, because they probably didn&#8217;t contribute to his success.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a reason why there is a correct form for every exercise: it is the optimal form for achieving a goal. Kroc wasn&#8217;t performing bad form DB rows; he was essentially inventing a new exercise that helped him achieve his powerlifting goals. If you&#8217;re performing an exercise, you should do it right rather than take shortcuts.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://rosstraining.com/blog/2009/03/11/the-form-police/#comment-3065</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Aug 2010 14:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It’s funny that I came across this article by chance while randomly browsing the Rosstraining site, not by Google search, because I recently had this debate with my girlfriend about form. Her and her family are into fitness and they constantly criticize form. It can get very annoying. I usually focus on weightlifting, in which I believe form is actually quite important, but I have recently gotten into cardio, hiit, and odd lifting this past summer to lose body fat. Other than trying to avoid injury, I completely agree with this article that form is NOT nearly as beneficial for these type of intense workouts compared to weightlifting exercises such as bench press, skull crushers, or bicep curls. I think anyone who disagrees or criticizes someone else’s form is just wasting their own time when they could be minding their business and pushing out a few more reps themselves. they are LAZY! You may work your legs and core a bit on a treadmill, but the POINT of running on it is to burn body fat… You’re not selling yourself short just because your form isn’t absolutely perfect on a treadmill, as if you would be if you were doing a bench press and not lowering the bar all the way down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s funny that I came across this article by chance while randomly browsing the Rosstraining site, not by Google search, because I recently had this debate with my girlfriend about form. Her and her family are into fitness and they constantly criticize form. It can get very annoying. I usually focus on weightlifting, in which I believe form is actually quite important, but I have recently gotten into cardio, hiit, and odd lifting this past summer to lose body fat. Other than trying to avoid injury, I completely agree with this article that form is NOT nearly as beneficial for these type of intense workouts compared to weightlifting exercises such as bench press, skull crushers, or bicep curls. I think anyone who disagrees or criticizes someone else’s form is just wasting their own time when they could be minding their business and pushing out a few more reps themselves. they are LAZY! You may work your legs and core a bit on a treadmill, but the POINT of running on it is to burn body fat… You’re not selling yourself short just because your form isn’t absolutely perfect on a treadmill, as if you would be if you were doing a bench press and not lowering the bar all the way down.</p>
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		<title>By: franz rust</title>
		<link>http://rosstraining.com/blog/2009/03/11/the-form-police/#comment-3064</link>
		<dc:creator>franz rust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Aug 2010 04:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you dont think weight off the ground you visualize + feel shit</description>
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		<title>By: franz rust</title>
		<link>http://rosstraining.com/blog/2009/03/11/the-form-police/#comment-3063</link>
		<dc:creator>franz rust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Aug 2010 04:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>because you feel power+strength its not a think thing</description>
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