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		<title>By: David Nilsson</title>
		<link>http://rosstraining.com/blog/2008/09/08/natural-nonsense/comment-page-1/#comment-130819</link>
		<dc:creator>David Nilsson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow another get post Ross. I can&#039;t how full of sh** these ads are. What next are they going to try and tell us that smoking is ok...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow another get post Ross. I can&#8217;t how full of sh** these ads are. What next are they going to try and tell us that smoking is ok&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Horace</title>
		<link>http://rosstraining.com/blog/2008/09/08/natural-nonsense/comment-page-1/#comment-75452</link>
		<dc:creator>Horace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 04:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ross, I know you&#039;re busy, but you should check out the book &quot;Toxic Sludge is Good For You.&quot; It explains how that crap gets on TV.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ross, I know you&#8217;re busy, but you should check out the book &#8220;Toxic Sludge is Good For You.&#8221; It explains how that crap gets on TV.</p>
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		<title>By: theo</title>
		<link>http://rosstraining.com/blog/2008/09/08/natural-nonsense/comment-page-1/#comment-75152</link>
		<dc:creator>theo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 14:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ross and other users, dont know if anyone has seen this yet, you probably have 

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=EMo3gOWC8h0

very funny parody of the HFCS ads, it borders on nonsense how they can show those ads on television, this proved a pretty good point i think. we dont get them over in the UK thankfully</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ross and other users, dont know if anyone has seen this yet, you probably have </p>
<p><a href="http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=EMo3gOWC8h0" rel="nofollow">http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=EMo3gOWC8h0</a></p>
<p>very funny parody of the HFCS ads, it borders on nonsense how they can show those ads on television, this proved a pretty good point i think. we dont get them over in the UK thankfully</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
		<link>http://rosstraining.com/blog/2008/09/08/natural-nonsense/comment-page-1/#comment-73574</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 16:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/01/cbsnews_investigates/main4491513.shtml

Quite a good read.</description>
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<p>Quite a good read.</p>
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		<title>By: Giovanni</title>
		<link>http://rosstraining.com/blog/2008/09/08/natural-nonsense/comment-page-1/#comment-73508</link>
		<dc:creator>Giovanni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 23:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sugar is no saint, but saying it&#039;s worse than HFCS is false.  Both should be avoided, but HFCS is at the bottom of the totem pole.  This may not be the popular mainstream opinion, as the corn industry will invest heaps of money to convince you otherwise, but the facts are easily understood.  

I could write an entire thesis on the dangers of HFCS. First, the liver takes a fair bit of abuse.  Fructose is absorbed by the jejunum, and the liver is left converting fructose to triglycerides (an easier task when compared to glucose).  Elevated levels of triglycerides isn’t something you want.  Heart disease is one problem that comes to mind.   Another related problem is the higher concentration of uric acid (which has linked to heart disease, not to mention gout of course).  

Another obvious link is type II diabetes.   Remember, fructose reduces the likeness of insulin for its receptor.  This should be warning enough.  When you couple this with chromium depletion, it’s even more obvious.  

Also, as Ross referenced, there are many more references listed within this article,  

http://www.westonaprice.org/modernfood/highfructose.html

It is sad to me that so many take the attitude of “prove it is bad for us and then we’ll stop” eating it.  With even an elementary understanding of science, the hazards are blatant and impossible to hide.  

-G-</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sugar is no saint, but saying it&#8217;s worse than HFCS is false.  Both should be avoided, but HFCS is at the bottom of the totem pole.  This may not be the popular mainstream opinion, as the corn industry will invest heaps of money to convince you otherwise, but the facts are easily understood.  </p>
<p>I could write an entire thesis on the dangers of HFCS. First, the liver takes a fair bit of abuse.  Fructose is absorbed by the jejunum, and the liver is left converting fructose to triglycerides (an easier task when compared to glucose).  Elevated levels of triglycerides isn’t something you want.  Heart disease is one problem that comes to mind.   Another related problem is the higher concentration of uric acid (which has linked to heart disease, not to mention gout of course).  </p>
<p>Another obvious link is type II diabetes.   Remember, fructose reduces the likeness of insulin for its receptor.  This should be warning enough.  When you couple this with chromium depletion, it’s even more obvious.  </p>
<p>Also, as Ross referenced, there are many more references listed within this article,  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.westonaprice.org/modernfood/highfructose.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.westonaprice.org/modernfood/highfructose.html</a></p>
<p>It is sad to me that so many take the attitude of “prove it is bad for us and then we’ll stop” eating it.  With even an elementary understanding of science, the hazards are blatant and impossible to hide.  </p>
<p>-G-</p>
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		<title>By: Dafydd</title>
		<link>http://rosstraining.com/blog/2008/09/08/natural-nonsense/comment-page-1/#comment-73497</link>
		<dc:creator>Dafydd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 20:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s funny how many of the posts here are calling the commercials propaganda or liking HFCS to cigarettes and yet unable to really put their finger on why they feel that way.  It sounds remarkably like they&#039;ve already fallen for the propaganda of the anti-HFCS party.  Admittedly I had the same reaction from the commercials as everyone else here did; that HFCS is bad, and these commercials shouldn&#039;t be allowed to air.  But always with an open mind, I decided to check out the web site to get the other side of the debate.  The claims there weren&#039;t terribly impressive. They basically showed sugar and HFCS are pretty comparable, with the difference that HFCS is sweeter and therefore you require less of it.

I found much the same when I further researched on the Internet for some more scientific data.  Various people claim HFCS is harmless, and just as many claim it&#039;s fattening or increases the rate of diabetes.  There&#039;s one very accademic arguement made continuously, that the use of HFCS coincides with the increased rate in obesity in the US.  Well I traced this arguement back to its source.  It was a statement made at the end of an entirely different study.  They suggested the link to encourage other groups to further study whether the two are connected.  No such study has yet been made to my knowledge, but the media picked up the comparison and it&#039;s become an urban truth we all assume to be true.

While this debate has probably become heated to the point that individuals are only &#039;allowed&#039; to be for or against HFCS, I have to say I&#039;m a pretty neutral party.  I look as HFCS as slightly better for us than sugar, but with an air of caution as sugar has existed in the food chain far longer than HFCS. Frankly, I think that is the only legitimate argument for natural foods over man made substances.

My main reason for posting is simply that I hate reading unsubstantiated rumors being handed around.  If it&#039;s your opinion that one thing is better than another then fine, but please separate views from facts so we can reduce propagating ignorance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s funny how many of the posts here are calling the commercials propaganda or liking HFCS to cigarettes and yet unable to really put their finger on why they feel that way.  It sounds remarkably like they&#8217;ve already fallen for the propaganda of the anti-HFCS party.  Admittedly I had the same reaction from the commercials as everyone else here did; that HFCS is bad, and these commercials shouldn&#8217;t be allowed to air.  But always with an open mind, I decided to check out the web site to get the other side of the debate.  The claims there weren&#8217;t terribly impressive. They basically showed sugar and HFCS are pretty comparable, with the difference that HFCS is sweeter and therefore you require less of it.</p>
<p>I found much the same when I further researched on the Internet for some more scientific data.  Various people claim HFCS is harmless, and just as many claim it&#8217;s fattening or increases the rate of diabetes.  There&#8217;s one very accademic arguement made continuously, that the use of HFCS coincides with the increased rate in obesity in the US.  Well I traced this arguement back to its source.  It was a statement made at the end of an entirely different study.  They suggested the link to encourage other groups to further study whether the two are connected.  No such study has yet been made to my knowledge, but the media picked up the comparison and it&#8217;s become an urban truth we all assume to be true.</p>
<p>While this debate has probably become heated to the point that individuals are only &#8216;allowed&#8217; to be for or against HFCS, I have to say I&#8217;m a pretty neutral party.  I look as HFCS as slightly better for us than sugar, but with an air of caution as sugar has existed in the food chain far longer than HFCS. Frankly, I think that is the only legitimate argument for natural foods over man made substances.</p>
<p>My main reason for posting is simply that I hate reading unsubstantiated rumors being handed around.  If it&#8217;s your opinion that one thing is better than another then fine, but please separate views from facts so we can reduce propagating ignorance.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Ristow</title>
		<link>http://rosstraining.com/blog/2008/09/08/natural-nonsense/comment-page-1/#comment-72285</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob Ristow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 04:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t agree more--this is a huge load of BS.  If anyone&#039;s read &quot;The Omnivore&#039;s Dilemma&quot; or any other of Michael Pollan&#039;s pieces, they&#039;d be able to see right through this.

I&#039;m currently a college student majoring in nutrition, and nothing gets me more worked up than this kind of rubbish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree more&#8211;this is a huge load of BS.  If anyone&#8217;s read &#8220;The Omnivore&#8217;s Dilemma&#8221; or any other of Michael Pollan&#8217;s pieces, they&#8217;d be able to see right through this.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m currently a college student majoring in nutrition, and nothing gets me more worked up than this kind of rubbish.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Ristow</title>
		<link>http://rosstraining.com/blog/2008/09/08/natural-nonsense/comment-page-1/#comment-72284</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob Ristow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 04:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t agree more--this is a huge load of BS.  If anyone&#039;s read &quot;The Omnivore&#039;s Dilemma&quot; or any other of Michael Pollan&#039;s pieces, they&#039;d be able to see right through this.

I&#039;m currently a college student majoring in nutrition, and nothing gets me more worked up than this kind of rubbbish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree more&#8211;this is a huge load of BS.  If anyone&#8217;s read &#8220;The Omnivore&#8217;s Dilemma&#8221; or any other of Michael Pollan&#8217;s pieces, they&#8217;d be able to see right through this.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m currently a college student majoring in nutrition, and nothing gets me more worked up than this kind of rubbbish.</p>
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		<title>By: Methuselah - Pay Now Live Later</title>
		<link>http://rosstraining.com/blog/2008/09/08/natural-nonsense/comment-page-1/#comment-71983</link>
		<dc:creator>Methuselah - Pay Now Live Later</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 10:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Ross - I created an alternative version of the HFCS advertisements to counterbalance the BS contained in the originals - check it out:

&lt;a href=&#039;http://paynowlivelater.blogspot.com/2008/09/high-fructose-low-budget-alternative.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Alternative HFCS Advertisement&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Ross &#8211; I created an alternative version of the HFCS advertisements to counterbalance the BS contained in the originals &#8211; check it out:</p>
<p><a href='http://paynowlivelater.blogspot.com/2008/09/high-fructose-low-budget-alternative.html' rel="nofollow">Alternative HFCS Advertisement</a></p>
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		<title>By: blake</title>
		<link>http://rosstraining.com/blog/2008/09/08/natural-nonsense/comment-page-1/#comment-71475</link>
		<dc:creator>blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow.  holy-retardation batman!  

the sad thing is that people will buy this bullsh*T.  people that have a clue will see right through it, but we all know how many idiots there are in the world and they buy this garbage.  it is so wrong on so many levels (the facts, the music, the acting, etc) it is comical, but you are right ross, when you say &quot;I can’t believe that such nonsense is allowed to run on national television.&quot;  it should be illegal somehow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow.  holy-retardation batman!  </p>
<p>the sad thing is that people will buy this bullsh*T.  people that have a clue will see right through it, but we all know how many idiots there are in the world and they buy this garbage.  it is so wrong on so many levels (the facts, the music, the acting, etc) it is comical, but you are right ross, when you say &#8220;I can’t believe that such nonsense is allowed to run on national television.&#8221;  it should be illegal somehow.</p>
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