<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: When victory is your duty</title>
	<atom:link href="http://rosstraining.com/blog/2008/08/11/when-victory-is-your-duty/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://rosstraining.com/blog/2008/08/11/when-victory-is-your-duty/</link>
	<description>RossTraining.com - Low-tech high-effect training advice without the nonsense</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 08:08:11 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://rosstraining.com/blog/2008/08/11/when-victory-is-your-duty/#comment-2057</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://rosstraining.com/blog/2008/08/11/when-victory-is-your-duty/#comment-2057</guid>
		<description>This lifestyle is very similar to the situation in Thailand regarding Muay Thai. Over there kids leave their homes and train from as early as 5 or 6 years old, often having their first fights around 12. Some accumulate over 300 fights in their career; and of course the training there can hardly be called sophisticated. Two 4-hour sessions a day, 6 days a week. They eat, sleep, and breathe their sport and they are the best in the world at it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This lifestyle is very similar to the situation in Thailand regarding Muay Thai. Over there kids leave their homes and train from as early as 5 or 6 years old, often having their first fights around 12. Some accumulate over 300 fights in their career; and of course the training there can hardly be called sophisticated. Two 4-hour sessions a day, 6 days a week. They eat, sleep, and breathe their sport and they are the best in the world at it.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://rosstraining.com/blog/2008/08/11/when-victory-is-your-duty/#comment-2056</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://rosstraining.com/blog/2008/08/11/when-victory-is-your-duty/#comment-2056</guid>
		<description>Am I the only one who found this completely depressing?!  I understand there is a lesson to be learned, fine.  Hard work and dedication are all that&#039;s required.  How about the rest of it?  ALL those kids work hard, but there can only be 12.  So how many losers does that leave?  Then, when they lose, what else do they have?  Diddly Squat.  Taken away from their homes, coaches not seeing their families, and if they don&#039;t make it, they got shit.  Sports &quot;Acadamies&quot; (Factories), exploiting kids so a Communist Nation can &quot;prove&quot; that their workers paradise is an Earthly nirvana.  Sports, their singular obsession and only way out of squalor.  Terrible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I the only one who found this completely depressing?!  I understand there is a lesson to be learned, fine.  Hard work and dedication are all that&#8217;s required.  How about the rest of it?  ALL those kids work hard, but there can only be 12.  So how many losers does that leave?  Then, when they lose, what else do they have?  Diddly Squat.  Taken away from their homes, coaches not seeing their families, and if they don&#8217;t make it, they got shit.  Sports &#8220;Acadamies&#8221; (Factories), exploiting kids so a Communist Nation can &#8220;prove&#8221; that their workers paradise is an Earthly nirvana.  Sports, their singular obsession and only way out of squalor.  Terrible.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://rosstraining.com/blog/2008/08/11/when-victory-is-your-duty/#comment-2055</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://rosstraining.com/blog/2008/08/11/when-victory-is-your-duty/#comment-2055</guid>
		<description>I agree with the not so high tech cubans and their boxers...look no further than Manny Pacquiao and the accomplishments he&#039;s done to this date. I know his whole background and the economics (or lack thereof) starting off. This guy is another example of hard work...without the &quot;luxuries&quot;. He&#039;s earned it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the not so high tech cubans and their boxers&#8230;look no further than Manny Pacquiao and the accomplishments he&#8217;s done to this date. I know his whole background and the economics (or lack thereof) starting off. This guy is another example of hard work&#8230;without the &#8220;luxuries&#8221;. He&#8217;s earned it!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://rosstraining.com/blog/2008/08/11/when-victory-is-your-duty/#comment-2054</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 07:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://rosstraining.com/blog/2008/08/11/when-victory-is-your-duty/#comment-2054</guid>
		<description>Hi Ross,
really great Article! Love watching your videos and following your blog. Nice work.

greetings from germany,
martin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ross,<br />
really great Article! Love watching your videos and following your blog. Nice work.</p>
<p>greetings from germany,<br />
martin</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Chuck</title>
		<link>http://rosstraining.com/blog/2008/08/11/when-victory-is-your-duty/#comment-2053</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://rosstraining.com/blog/2008/08/11/when-victory-is-your-duty/#comment-2053</guid>
		<description>Hey Ross! It&#039;s your boy Chuck.

Wow man this was very inspirational Ross. I have nothing but the utmost respect for these youngsters. This is what it&#039;s suppose to be about, as i stress to preach always. DEDICATION &amp; HARDWORK!!! There&#039;s no subsitute. Any one can get motivated from reading this Blog entry &amp; watching these videos if they are true down to earth fighters. These kids are truly blessed. Thank You so much Ross for sharing this with us. You are the man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Ross! It&#8217;s your boy Chuck.</p>
<p>Wow man this was very inspirational Ross. I have nothing but the utmost respect for these youngsters. This is what it&#8217;s suppose to be about, as i stress to preach always. DEDICATION &amp; HARDWORK!!! There&#8217;s no subsitute. Any one can get motivated from reading this Blog entry &amp; watching these videos if they are true down to earth fighters. These kids are truly blessed. Thank You so much Ross for sharing this with us. You are the man.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Chris - The Rotater</title>
		<link>http://rosstraining.com/blog/2008/08/11/when-victory-is-your-duty/#comment-2052</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris - The Rotater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://rosstraining.com/blog/2008/08/11/when-victory-is-your-duty/#comment-2052</guid>
		<description>Hi Ross,

This is a very inspirational post.  There are a number of factors that are involved in the creation of any champion in any sport.  It seems to me that Cuba has been very adept at instilling &quot;great heart&quot; into its&#039; young fighters.  This is the intangible that can often overcome all the scientific advances we tend to rely on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ross,</p>
<p>This is a very inspirational post.  There are a number of factors that are involved in the creation of any champion in any sport.  It seems to me that Cuba has been very adept at instilling &#8220;great heart&#8221; into its&#8217; young fighters.  This is the intangible that can often overcome all the scientific advances we tend to rely on.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Administrator</title>
		<link>http://rosstraining.com/blog/2008/08/11/when-victory-is-your-duty/#comment-2051</link>
		<dc:creator>Administrator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://rosstraining.com/blog/2008/08/11/when-victory-is-your-duty/#comment-2051</guid>
		<description>It&#039;s also worth noting that amateur boxing involves more than the Olympics.  The talent pool in the Cuban amateur championships is incredible. It would be incredible on its own, but is even more incredible when considering the size of the population responsible for this talent pool.    

As for age, let&#039;s also not forget that the Cubans train for a specific sport (amateur boxing), which is actually much different from professional boxing.  The Cubans are trained specifically for their event (ie. the scoring system).  The amateur vs. pro argument doesn&#039;t make sense, as Cubans are not trained for the professional sport, and those that do defect, do so by leaving behind their Cuban trainers.  Yet with that said, many who do defect are very successful as pros.  One current example is Yuriorkis Gamboa who recently turned pro after winning gold in the 2004 games.  He is definitely one to watch.  A more established example would be Joel Casamayor.  He won gold in the junior worlds back in the late 1980’s (don’t recall the exact year), and also won a gold in the 92 Olympics.

Furthermore, it&#039;s VERY important to realize that Cuban boxers are dominant at all levels, including the junior level, and even before they turn to the open class (where the adults compete).  Their kids are rich in talent.  And once again, this rich talent pool (junior level) all comes from one small island.  Let’s also not forget many well known US Olympians (ex. 1984 and 1988 Olympics) won their medals in a year that the Cubans did not compete.  Their path was also much easier.  

Ultimately, we can continue to split hairs over what could have been or should have been, but we’ll never know how Cubans would fair if they were trained specifically for the professional game.  And while the debate would be entertaining, it would also be unrelated to this blog entry (and the underlying message behind it).  I don’t wish to lose the real message in a debate over junior champions from Cuba.

Ross</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s also worth noting that amateur boxing involves more than the Olympics.  The talent pool in the Cuban amateur championships is incredible. It would be incredible on its own, but is even more incredible when considering the size of the population responsible for this talent pool.    </p>
<p>As for age, let&#8217;s also not forget that the Cubans train for a specific sport (amateur boxing), which is actually much different from professional boxing.  The Cubans are trained specifically for their event (ie. the scoring system).  The amateur vs. pro argument doesn&#8217;t make sense, as Cubans are not trained for the professional sport, and those that do defect, do so by leaving behind their Cuban trainers.  Yet with that said, many who do defect are very successful as pros.  One current example is Yuriorkis Gamboa who recently turned pro after winning gold in the 2004 games.  He is definitely one to watch.  A more established example would be Joel Casamayor.  He won gold in the junior worlds back in the late 1980’s (don’t recall the exact year), and also won a gold in the 92 Olympics.</p>
<p>Furthermore, it&#8217;s VERY important to realize that Cuban boxers are dominant at all levels, including the junior level, and even before they turn to the open class (where the adults compete).  Their kids are rich in talent.  And once again, this rich talent pool (junior level) all comes from one small island.  Let’s also not forget many well known US Olympians (ex. 1984 and 1988 Olympics) won their medals in a year that the Cubans did not compete.  Their path was also much easier.  </p>
<p>Ultimately, we can continue to split hairs over what could have been or should have been, but we’ll never know how Cubans would fair if they were trained specifically for the professional game.  And while the debate would be entertaining, it would also be unrelated to this blog entry (and the underlying message behind it).  I don’t wish to lose the real message in a debate over junior champions from Cuba.</p>
<p>Ross</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Dennis M</title>
		<link>http://rosstraining.com/blog/2008/08/11/when-victory-is-your-duty/#comment-2050</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 03:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://rosstraining.com/blog/2008/08/11/when-victory-is-your-duty/#comment-2050</guid>
		<description>Hi Ross,

I didn&#039;t say that Cuban boxers succeeded *only* because they don&#039;t turn pro, but that their successes are exaggerated on that account. Savón, and before him Teófilo Stevenson are perfect examples. Both were excellent at a young age, but (1) they were special - they weren&#039;t surpassed by other, younger Cubans for a long time, either, and (2) they didn&#039;t have to face such professionals as Ali, or Frazier, or Foreman (these three for Stevenson); or Holyfield (when he became a heavyweight) or Lewis (for Savón). Maybe the Cubans would have won even against those boxers (who knows?), and they were great champions in any case, but there can&#039;t be any question that their paths to gold were easier on this account.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ross,</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t say that Cuban boxers succeeded *only* because they don&#8217;t turn pro, but that their successes are exaggerated on that account. Savón, and before him Teófilo Stevenson are perfect examples. Both were excellent at a young age, but (1) they were special &#8211; they weren&#8217;t surpassed by other, younger Cubans for a long time, either, and (2) they didn&#8217;t have to face such professionals as Ali, or Frazier, or Foreman (these three for Stevenson); or Holyfield (when he became a heavyweight) or Lewis (for Savón). Maybe the Cubans would have won even against those boxers (who knows?), and they were great champions in any case, but there can&#8217;t be any question that their paths to gold were easier on this account.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Administrator</title>
		<link>http://rosstraining.com/blog/2008/08/11/when-victory-is-your-duty/#comment-2049</link>
		<dc:creator>Administrator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 00:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://rosstraining.com/blog/2008/08/11/when-victory-is-your-duty/#comment-2049</guid>
		<description>The success of the Cuban team has isn’t about age.  Anyone involved in amateur boxing knows that the Cubans are good at all ages. Even the well known Cubans who became famous for repeat performances were also good as youngsters.  Félix Savón is a classic example.  He won Olympic gold in 1992, 1996, and 2000.  In 2000, he was 33 years old (and is a VERY well known Cuban boxer).  

Many fail to realize however that Savón was already a world amateur champion at age 19.  He won the world amateur championships back in 1986.  The Cuban teens are already dominant. The list is long of young Cuban champions.  The fact that they remain dominant has nothing to do with the success of their methods.

The fact remains that a minuscule island continues to produce champions.

Ross</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The success of the Cuban team has isn’t about age.  Anyone involved in amateur boxing knows that the Cubans are good at all ages. Even the well known Cubans who became famous for repeat performances were also good as youngsters.  Félix Savón is a classic example.  He won Olympic gold in 1992, 1996, and 2000.  In 2000, he was 33 years old (and is a VERY well known Cuban boxer).  </p>
<p>Many fail to realize however that Savón was already a world amateur champion at age 19.  He won the world amateur championships back in 1986.  The Cuban teens are already dominant. The list is long of young Cuban champions.  The fact that they remain dominant has nothing to do with the success of their methods.</p>
<p>The fact remains that a minuscule island continues to produce champions.</p>
<p>Ross</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Dennis M</title>
		<link>http://rosstraining.com/blog/2008/08/11/when-victory-is-your-duty/#comment-2048</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 23:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://rosstraining.com/blog/2008/08/11/when-victory-is-your-duty/#comment-2048</guid>
		<description>Cuba has done an impressive job in training boxers, but it&#039;s more than a little misleading to compare their Olympic successes with those of other countries. Why? A simple reason: there are no pro boxers in Cuba! In free countries, the amateur ranks are primarily a stepping stone for talented boxers on their way to the pro ranks and money; in communist Cuba, that route is unavailable. So it&#039;s hardly shocking that their permanent &quot;amateurs&quot; are disproportionately more successful than everyone else&#039;s young, temporary amateurs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cuba has done an impressive job in training boxers, but it&#8217;s more than a little misleading to compare their Olympic successes with those of other countries. Why? A simple reason: there are no pro boxers in Cuba! In free countries, the amateur ranks are primarily a stepping stone for talented boxers on their way to the pro ranks and money; in communist Cuba, that route is unavailable. So it&#8217;s hardly shocking that their permanent &#8220;amateurs&#8221; are disproportionately more successful than everyone else&#8217;s young, temporary amateurs.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

